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and a lot of work ahead. why is president trump once again reflecting back on election night? plus, alternative energy, can political and hollywood stars help power climate change revolution? i talk exclusively to sir richard branson ahead of tomorrow's climate march right here in d.c. >> it is up to business leaders worldwide to step in. >> and sky high fears, why some members of congress are obsessed with the combination of marijuana and nuclear weapons. this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. good evening. i'm chuck todd here in washington and welcome to "mtp daily." folks, when a president says something like this -- >> well, there's a chance that we could end up having a major,
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major conflict with north korea. absolutely. >> the reaction from the press is usually something like this. >> professor, without knowing precisely what the danger is, would you say it's time for our viewers to crack each other's heads open and feast on the goo inside? >> yes, i would, kent. >> look, in humor there's truth, but let's be serious here, seems like if there was any other president that there was a chance of a major, major conflict with nuclear power, there would be ber views, lester holt flying to seoul. don't get me wrong the conflict as joe biden might say, a big deal, but let's face it we've been conditioned to discount the president's words already. and that's a big deal too. folks, this might be the biggest story of the first 100 days, the loss of the power of the president's words. first off the president himself just admitted that this is not the job he thought it was. >> this is more work than in my previous life.
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i thought it would be easier. i thought it was more of a -- i'm a details oriented person. i think you would say that. but i do miss my old life. i like to work. so that's not a problem. but this is actually more work. >> which perhaps explains why we've seen so many radical and sometimes instantaneous reversals from the president. he told "the washington post," i was all set to terminate nafta. i was going to do it. that announcement was going to happen tomorrow. until his agriculture secretary informed him of the potentially disastrous effects it would have on the country and on trump voters, even brought a map. canada and mexico pushed back, so did the chamber of commerce. so he didn't do it. the education of president trump compared to candidate trump has at times seemed jaw dropping. take health care for instance. >> you're going to have such great health care at a tiny fraction of the cost. and it's going to be so easy. nobody knew that health care could be so complicated.
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>> on foreign policy, consider his reversal on nato. as a candidate, i said nato's obsolete, not knowing much about nato. now i know a lot about nato. his position now, it's not obsolete. let's go back to north korea. here's candidate trump. >> what would you do to deal with that reclusive country? >> i would get china to make that guy disappear in one form or another very quickly. >> then he talked with china's president. and he said this. after listening for ten minutes i realized it's not so easy. president trump has radically changed his positions on everything from china, intervention in syria and health care to presidential travel and golf, trying to figure out when to take him at his word or not feels like an exercise in futility because the president himself seems to be grappling with who he is and what he believes. for example, if there was one constant in the campaign, it was this. >> hillary clinton is the chief emissary for globalism. hillary wants to surrender
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america to globalism. hillary clinton's a representative for globalists. you know what globalists are? they all support the same ideology of globalism that makes them rich while shipping your jobs, your factories and your wealth all the way out to other countries. >> today in "the wall street journal," president trump said, hey, i'm a nationalist and a globalist. which brings us to his agenda. if you're a member of congress trying to negotiate with this president on the border wall, health care, tax reform, et cetera, it would seem a risky proposition to take him at his word. but then again it would seem just as risky not to. it's a dilemma seemingly everyone is facing after this first 100 days. i'm joined now by two former senators who've seen it all, done it all, probably done too much in their minds. republican trent and democrat tom daschle both democrats. what better way to talk about the first 100 days. welcome, gentlemen. >> thank you, chuck. >> i'm going to give the point of privilege to senator lott
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here. republican president we're dealing with. i'm focused on this issue of his words. how problematic is it that we actually now discount -- i say collectively washington discounts his declarations already on day 99. >> well, a lot of presidents, and i work directly with seven of them learn when they get here it's not quite like they expected. it is important that your words matter. i think maybe he's learning about how to handle that. sometimes i think it's, you know, by design. sometimes i think it's a bluff or a feign. that's what i thought happened on nafta. i don't think he was ever really going to pull the trigger there. i think he was trying to get the leaders of canada and mexico to say, oh, yes, look -- >> i thought so too. but i also didn't think he went through the motions that he did. >> but i do think he needs to be careful about that. you know, it is a distraction. and trying to get things done. and it causes concerns, frankly
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in the congress. but i want to say this too. all these presidents come to town whether they come from california, arkansas, georgia, texas, they all bring a bunch of home state people here. >> right. >> and their attitude is we're coming to washington and we're going to drain the swamp. >> and we're smarter than you. don't forget that. >> ere we're going to be the boss. after they leave the al gaiteli are still in the swamp. they learn quickly, but it usually takes a few months to realize there is a co-equal branch of government. it's called the congress. and you have to work with them. and it's not easy because you don't just snap your fingers and pass an infrastructure bill or tax bill or health bill. so, you know, i think he's learning easy go. i certainly hope and pray so. >> tom daschle, he brought up the first 100 days. you know, bill clinton had a rough first 100 days too, because of what he just described. but he learned pretty quickly. >> yeah. well, chuck, there's always a lot of on-the-job training, for
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any president. barack obama learned the same thing. i think this president has a steeper learning curve than most because he started farther back. and he started with a lot of assertions about policy that really i think didn't reflect reality, number one, and probably didn't even reflect necessarily his views. he was messaging to a base audience that he thought would resonate in many respects. now he's learning unfortunately it's created a lot of complications for him as he tries to make that transition from candidate to office holder and president of the united states. that on-the-job training for him has been a very difficult experience. >> i wanted to pivot to an institution you know even better. because the more things change this first 100 days, some things remain the same. my running joke to folks wondering what washington is like, if you've liked governing over the last eight years, you're going to love the next three or four. congressional gridlock is the same is the same and there's one party in
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control. what's your explanation? >> well, first, i think the senate has handled themselves pretty well. they have finally, it was a slow process, which i didn't like, but they've gotten their cabinet confirmed. it has taken 100 days to get his cabinet. >> is that the senate's fault or president trump? they've been very slow with their nominations. >> i do think that it was the senate's fault. the democrats walking. and he did get his cabinet nominations up there pretty quickly. they've lost a lot of ground in getting deputies and assistants done. some of them are home alone and they need to move that. the senate has gotten it done. i thought his choice, the president's support was a good one. the senate while it was difficult. they got through that process. the other thing they've done that has been smart. they kept quiet.
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they're saying the house goes first. we won't weigh in until we get a product. >> i'll ask it this way, senator daschle. health care, tax reform, renegotiating big trade deals. nonof that happens without democratic support. i think he's learning this. he has to find a way to work democrats. right now they have no incentive to work with him. >> if i could just jump in briefly. they are negotiating with the democrats on the appropriations bill. >> but not on the big stuff. spending, by the way, you guys always know how to negotiate with each other when you get to spend the money. it's a lot easier. >> there is no legislation that would ever be permanent unless it is bipartisan. we've learn that had lesson. we shouldn't have to relearn it again. to be permanent, it has to be
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bynum. there are all kinds of opportunities on infrastructure, on trade on, health. but it has to be bipartisan. and he's right. i think we're making more progress, not as much as i think we would like but we're making some progress on the senate side. i haven't seen any indication that there's that need for bipartisanship. >> both of you are bipartisan senators, in hindsight, it is easier to be on the outside to say this is how you fix this problem. gridlock is only going to get worse even if it incrementally gets better for a few minutes at a time. and yet if i speak to all one hunt the current united states senators, about 97 of them would lament. why doesn't something happen? why is there such fear of leadership from standing up and doing something about it? >> i think there's a lot of base pressure. >> on both sides.
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dare you to come to the middle. >> in our book that we wrote together, that was one of the points we emphasized. they're not here. 47 of them sleep in their offices. the chemistry is not there. tom and i are friends. we come from different places philosophically but we can work through that for the good of the country. there's too much concern about the party base. when will people stand up and say we need to find a way to get things done for our country. even if it makes our party a little mad. >> the problem is there's no political inthe centive. no political reward. >> and of course, in the republican party, and i think probably to a degree, but a lesser degree. maybe more in the future. your concern is not losing the general election. your concern is losing the primary. >> that has to change.
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>> are you more pessimistic? in the state of american politics of not the trump presidency. >> i'm a hopeless optimist. i think they'll find a way to get things done. the tax bill, should, can be and always was bipartisan. health care is probably the toughest nut to crack, and infrastructure. i feel like senators will go across the aisle and say what can we do to make the good for new york as well as texas? >> the asterisk is they have to be more practicing mattic and more bipartisan. if they can do it. >> you were two who were when you first got into politics, turn two in the minority in your own states. always pleasure. folks, every president does have a learning curve in the first 100 days but this president's perhaps stands out morest ran on the idea that being president would be easy.
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>> a lot of politicians said you can't get mexico to pay for the wall. it will be so easy. there has never been a country. so easy. so easy to solveful. >> bauts of the border and because of trade, the trade is so easy for me. it is so obvious what's happening. >> they get everything. we get nothing. we get unemployment. we get clothes factories. it is so easy. so easy. >> presidential is easy. do you know what it is? i walk up. nobody knows the system better than me which is why i alone can fix it. >> well, let's bring in the panel. katy doctor tur who earlier today was ordered the walter cronkite award.
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and you were mitt romney's he adviser, and you may know her from such programs as the clinton campaign and the obama white house. i'll let you take first crack at this. you were a trump skeptic. first 100 days, more or less skeptical? >> i think the direction he's come in on foreign policy is a direction i like. on north korea and syria, he struck the right tone. on the administration stuff. there are some big incompletes. health care and tax reform. >> katy, you spent more time with him than anyone at the table. that easy remark versus what he said yesterday to reuters about how difficult this is. clearly it has been disruptive to his habits.
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that i know bothers him. but behind the scenes he was also very confident that this wasn't going to be a hard job. >> he didn't think it would. and it is similar to the difficulties he faced with health care. who knew health care would be so hard? pretty. everybody. who knew the presidency would be so hard? pretty. anyone who was talking about what it was like to be in the white house. donald trump is, we can't say this enough. he's a 70-year-old man who is used the a certain way of living and used to operating a certain way. he is used to saying something and it being done. he is used to people saying yes to him. he is not used to road blocks or any sort of complications. this is very different and it has been 99 days. we'll see if he learns to adjust to it. then again, we'll 73 this is just not for him. i don't know where he'll go from here. >> look. i know it is frustrating to you as someone who ran against him. many of the criticisms, that's been true what he's saying on
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this or that's not a plausible this and he will find out he can't do. this it is all coming true. how do you find it? heartening or disheartening? >> let's talk about how i feel about ittism relieved to see it happening because i think people are paying attention. your average american has to work hard to find the facts but people are looking for the facts and gravity is taking hold. and people are seeing that he didn't have an agenda. he had a wish list. he had a wish list of things he said he would. do there's no coherence behind them. no thought on how he would get them done so they are all falling apart. i'm disturbed to see that while on some matters of foreign policy, he may appear to be moderating or flip flopping in a positive way, on immigration, going to the nra today, there are things that he's definitely doing to keep his base happy. so i think we shouldn't lose
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sight of that. >> i think in this last week, as we've been describing, a lot of motion. no action. baltimore designed to appease the base? they were concern that had all the one hunt day stories were about, he hasn't gotten. done. >> i think that the trump machinery is very good at turning action into seemingly something. they've had more executive orders, trump has signed more executive orders than any president since fdr. so they're doing a lot by executive orders. they're creating commissions and studies to appear larger maybe than they are. but it is about selling it to the base. that's exactly what it is. >> very quickly, katy. when you saw the nafta back and forth in that tick tock, do you believe that's what he was going to, that they were really on the verge of saying, that would have been tomorrow night? or do you think it is smoke and mirrors? >> that's really hard to say. he ran on getting out of nafta. he ran on making sure that
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without nafta, that there would be more jobs, that it would create more opportunity. i think that he wanted to get rid of it. i don't doubt the story that they walked in with a map and said, actually these jobs are squarely in the base of support that voted for you. so that's a hard one. but i do buy the idea that they had to come in with visual aides. >> i'll going to pause here. you are sticking around. we've got some late breaking news from north korea. southern california south korea reports say the north has fired a missile. it's not where we start,
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it is just coming into the newsroom. we have not independently confirmed any of this. joining me, our msnbc national security analyst. jeremy, a test? it is, what do you know? what seems familiar to you back in your days at both the defense department and cia? what can you tell us? >> reporter: it's too early to know the nature of this weapons test. i appears not to be a nuclear test. they've done that five times before. they do those underground and there's seismic activity that's detected after a nuclear test. it is also probably not a test of their intercontinental ballistic missile. that would be a major escalation of military moves. this is probably, although it is too early to tell, probably another one of their short or
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intermediate range ballistic missiles which could of course hit our allies in south korea and in japan. chuck, they have been trying to perfect a couple of came builts with these missiles, including what's known as a cold canister launch. a solid fuel rocket on that missile. that prevents them from having to take a lot of time fuel the liquid fuel and it allows them to launch in a hurry. when spy satellites can stare down at these launch pads it gives the time. they could gain the element of surprise. had they fired one that exploded about five minutes, excuse me, several seconds after launch and it was considered basically a dud. we don't know if it was sabotaged or bad engineering or some other factor. march 5, they fired four
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ballistic missiles. three of them fell into the japan sea. close to japan. and then february is when they shot missiles when abe was down at mar-a-lago. this is potentially a continuation of that escalating policy. >> now joining me by phone, a form he ambassador to south korea for the united states. chris hill. it is hard not to wonder if this is a response to president trump when he said a major conflict could occur with north korea. >> reporter: i would say president trump said a lot to reuters including rather odd segment where he talked about somehow king jong un was under a
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lot of pressure taking over from his dad. i'm not sure it is a response to what he said but in a broader sense, the u.s. has ratcheted up pressure across the board and talked about the fact that we're not going to allow the north koreas to keep going. so now the question is what is the u.s. going to do? we don't know a lot about this test yet. it is not an underground nuclear test. it is probably a continuation of the testing program they've had. i think what we're going to see is a flurry of activity of the u.s. going back to the chinese and they'll be working with the south koreans and the japanese. i'm not sure that we would be in a position to retaliate in any way, shape or form beyond what secretary tillerson said today other than putting the screws to them on the economic side. >> well, do you think very quickly, south korea and japan, will they have an ask on this?
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when they see this, will they say, we want missile defense from the united states here. and we know china doesn't like that idea. but could that be the response? >> reporter: well, already the missile defense that we have planned to deploy by the end of the year is being deployed as we speak in south korea. the japanese have been much more amenable to missile defense. some of the south koreans feel it is making them a bigger target than they already are. i don't think they're going to be asking for more of that. in the south korean case, they're in the middle of a rather contentious presidential election including one candidate who says they ought to think about these missile, anti-missile deployments and maybe study them and decide whether they want to do them. i suspect this kind of provocation from the north has the effect of the sort of softer candidate in south korea being
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hurt by it. we'll have to see. and those south korean elections are coming up in a week and a half. >> a remind per maybe he is playing a little politics on the other side. thanks for joining us by phone and giving us your perspective. we appreciate it. we'll continue to follow this breaking news and bring it to you as it happens. a circadian rhythm disorder that can turn my sleep cycles upside down. it kept me from doing the things i truly love to do. sometimes i'd show up early; sometimes i was too late. and sometimes, even though i was there... i didn't really feel..."there." talk to your doctor, and call 844-234-2424 to learn more.
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branson. welcome back to the show. >> nice to see you again. >> you're here in washington working with al gore on the climate march tomorrow. obviously one of the goals is to bring attention to this issue. what is the message to president trump? if you're here, you're hoping he will receive the message. what's the message? >> just to listen to scientists. 98% of scientists are completely convinced that the world has a problem. 190 nations met in paris and agreed to head toward carbon neutrality by 2050. and it is very, very important that america doesn't diverge from that. and i think it is in the interests of america. even for those people like president trump who are climate
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ske skeptics, create an energy revolution for your children and grandchildren where you can have clean air, create hundreds of thousands of jobs, and where you can bring the price of fuel to a level which would be half of what it is today forever. >> obviously the president is trying to decide whether to pull out of the paris agreement or not. what's the case for him to stay in even if he's skeptical of the goals and what he believes is a negative economy? >> it absolutely isn't a negative tug on the american economy. the worst thing you can do is let china and other countries move forward with clean energy in the rapid speed that they are moving and give up what could be one of the biggest -- >> so you just make a business case. do you this, china will -- >> they already are. and americans should be, and i would like to see other countries should be as well, the
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innovators in this area. >> let's say the president does pull out of paris. essentially this administration is sending the signal, we're not going to take a lead on climate. that's not a priority. what can the private sector do to fill in that, to are fill that vacuum? >> it is up to business leaders worldwide to step in and make sure that we do fulfill the 2050 climate obligations. because if we don't, we have a world that will be a very sad world later on this century. >> it seems likele business leaders. if you look at the fortune 500 companies, many have decided, even if it is in words, to say they're trying to -- shrink their carbon foot print. >> pretty well every rational businessman has said, we have to deal with this. we're talking about the biggest
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companies in america. almost every single one have said we have to deal with this. and overseas, i can't think of any businessman that is not committed. but look, if you have an administration that is supportive, it is likely this will get double that. quicker. >> as a former airline owner, this united and this treatment of customers, obviously, there was a social media back lash and all this. it does seem as if, is it that hard to run an airline anymore and make a profit in this day and age? can you do it? is that why, is it the fear of not being able to make money in an airline the worst customer service? >> i think a lot of airlines are just very, very badly run. we set up three airlines. virgin america, virgin australia and virgin atlantic.
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and they've all made very good profits. and they've made profits because we have had a wonderful group of people who work for them, 100% believe in what they're doing, who would never, ever, ever do anything like what happened on united. >> what would have happened if an employee of yours had done that? >> it wouldn't happen. i can be so sure that would never happen in a virgin company that i would never even have to worry about it. >> what would be your recommendation to the united ceo? >> i think they've got too big. i would most likely break the airline up into five smaller airlines and get five managing directors and five deputy managing directors and five marketing people and have five different brands and make them much smaller again. these enormous airlines they've been allowed to create. >> the bigger you get, the farther you get from your
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customer? >> yes. it just becomes completely impersonal. and everybody who works there becomes numbers. >> do you think there will be a point in the u.k. that there will be regret that they broke up the european union? >> i think there will be enormous regret. and i think it is one of the saddest things that's happened in my lifetime. will churchill helped set up the european union to make sure that we didn't go to war with each other again. i'm the first gem rags out of many, many generations going back that hasn't been to war. and i think there will be great regret. i think also there will be the a big regret financially if we went for a hard brexit. so i think the sad thing is that three newspaper owners whose ainch of the readership is over,
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i don't know, 55, because these people were sort of set in their ways, they campaigned rigorously for it. >> three newspaper owners. are you singling out -- >> murdoch and the daily express. and they just thumped home a lot of untruths. like 350 more per week will go to the nhs. a lot of mistruths that were put out to the public. and i'm afraid that it is sad for europe and i think it is sad for britain. >> sir richard branson. a lot more i would like to discuss but i've run out of time. >> and you didn't get to see the whole interview. i have more of it. go see it on our website, eally knows hi.
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korea possesses the ability. they don't have the lead time that they used to have. and i would and that if you were counting on president donald trump to lean on his chinese counter part, remember they had that big wine and dine moment in mar-a-lago earlier this month, in april, furm counting on the chinese to lean on the north koreans, it doesn't look like that's working out. if you are putting any stock on that mar-a-lago summit to be something that could be a game changer, we haven't had a test since then. now we've had a test. >> all right. as our folks have confirmed, it failed, correct? >> yes. >> i thought that's what you said. just wanted to get that. we'll continue to monitor the situation and bring you any updates if we get them. we'll be right back. when a critical patient is far from the hospital, the hospital must come to the patient. stay with me, mr. parker. the at&t network is helping first responders connect with medical teams in near real time...
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i have a running war with the media. they are among the most dishonest human beings on earth. >> it doesn't represent the
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people. it never will represent the people. and we're going to do something about it. >> you are fake news. >> in his first 100 days in office, president trump has repeatedly lashed out at the media. even though that hasn't stopped him from talking to reporters, his apparent outward hostility toward the press could have complications around the world. there was a report on freedom of the press around the world. after looking at 199 countries, they found global press freedom is at a 13-year low. on 13% of the world's population lives in areas with a free press. we are one of them, by the way. and freedom house says that president trump's attacks on the ws media could create further setbacks for press freedom both here at home and around the world. you are the president of will freedom house and you released
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this report today. so let's start with, you track press freedom globally. but you say these attacks by the president on our news media have an impact. how does that impact freedom. press outside the united states? >> i think the point is that freedom of the press is the hallmark of american democracy. as long as i've been around, and i was a report he for 25 years. it is other countries look to the united states as the aspirational model of how the press should be treated. and obviously, there have been fights between presidents and the press before but we haven't really seen the rhetoric against the press that you highlighted in your opening segment. >> in my experience traveling with president obama and others, when you go outside the united states, the number one advocate for press access has been the president. president bush would fight for
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access. if china's government was trying to restrict things, russia's government, all this stuff. i don't know if president trump will do that. if there's a trim to turkey and erdogan who has cracked down on press freedoms. how much impact would that have? >> erdogan is a good example. he is the leading jailer of journalists around the world the world. by last count -- >> the leading jailer. of any country. that's according to our brethren organization cpj. the point is a week ago, after his referendum, which will cement his authoritarian rule for another 20 years. the president of the united states called him. so erdogan, putin, even smaller countries like cambodia. they look to the president of the united states as a model. if he can treat the press this way, i think it gives them more
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ammunition. >> about what the issue of fake news? if the free press is not believed, thanks to fake news infiltration and confusion and all of this stuff. that erodes press freedom. >> absolutely. one the of the things is the effort by the russian government to export its propaganda efforts beyond its own borders. obviously, president putin has been a major violator of the rights of journal theists and we saw him trying to export that effort abroad. beyond russia's shores. and i think the effort is they are trying to undermine the idea that there is an independent media with an independent set of facts and objectives. a competing set of narratives and no one truth. and that's the antithesis of a free press. >> what about news agencies fighting back on this per spepgs
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time for the lid. pam is back, katie, jennifer. we were talking about foreign policy in the abstract. in between we had the missile test with lanhee. i'll let you start with this. everything north korea has done is not new. >> right. >> we're treating it new. should we be treating it new? >> i don't think so. this problem has been around a very long time. we've allowed the chinese to take care of the problem. they haven't been able to handle
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t. what do we do going forward? leverage the chinese more? do what rex tillerson do what they might do, put more military option on the table or directly negotiate with the north koreans. i think we have to go in a different direction if we want a different result. >> jennifer, when you were in the white house north korea would pop up. look, there would be times when president obama intentionally always wanted to don't react. >> right. >> some would say he under reacted, but there's been no right answer with the north korea problem. let's be realistic. >> i think the administration had a better answer. america shouldn't know every time -- we shouldn't all be living our lives by the test schedule of north korea missiles and how we are with their lives. >> what do you mean by that, if they're doing that, you're giving north korea -- >> you're giving them platforms. we are all paying attention. we know that now they're just shooting them off. there were times before where they would say when they're going to happen and everyone is watching with baited breath. we should not be giving them
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this kind of attention. in the obama white house, you also understood that the united states -- when you're the biggest kid on the playground, you're the one that has to act with a lot more restraint than we're seeing now. >> katie, interestingly it was president who said president obama told him the number one problem he's going to face short term is north korea. >> it was. that was apparently the conversation they had going in. and it's not just president obama who said this. intelligence experts said north korea is going to be the biggest threat that this administration faces. donald trump, on the one hand he's asking for more diplomacy. on the other hand he's talking about an armada that's not really going to the korean peninsula. and yesterday telling reuters that we should prepare for a major, major conflict. and that is a scary and dangerous thing when you're talking about a nation with nuclear capabilities. what does that look like, what are you doing, what sort of message does that send to the
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north koreans, is that the sort of saber rattling they're going to brush off or are they going to take that as some threat of a first attack. >> lanhee, why -- our pentagon correspondent hans nichols reminded us of something that's been true. our intelligence inside of north korea has gotten worse, not better. most of that is a south korean problem. why has it gotten worse? >> i think part of it is because kim jong-un, believe it or not, has become more repressive than his father and his grandfather before that. the part of it is because kim jong-un -- north korean leaders have been irrational. kim jong-un may perhaps be even more irrational in some ways, if you can believe it or not. that is why so many analysts believe this is such a huge threat to the u.s. that and the fact you can argue our intelligence cooperation has degraded with the south koreans to your point. we don't know as much about what is going on. >> it doesn't help donald trump is going to pay for the missile
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defense system president obama helped put in place. >> let's skip the trade deal. that was the whiplash i had. on one hand i thought it was intriguing of him giving weird praise to kim jong-un. pay a little respect maybe that will calm him down. south koreans threatening trade agreement in the interview. >> that did not appear to be an instinctive, i don't like anything barack obama did. that's really -- >> it sounded like a turrets response. >> particularly obama ones. >> we're talking about korea by the time. south korea doesn't want to hear that. >> they definitely don't. the agreement was first negotiated by president bush. >> maybe another reason president trump doesn't like it. katie, lanhee, jennifer, thank you. after the break, why richard branson ended up doing a double take on our set today. i'll explain. but when family members forget,
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well, in case you missed it our earlier guests here today sir richard branson's stunt double actually works here at "mtp daily." okay, not really. this photo does make it look like sir branson was trying to take out his evil twin, right? or maybe branson's evil twin. it's actually our jib camera operator michael higgins. he gave as good as it got, all in good fun. check this out. let's do the side by side comparison. look at it. yeah, they definitely share a
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style. the hair, the go-t which of course is mandatory in any show i do. and they even wore the blue shirt today. tune in next week. you never know who else's top l ganger we have behind the scenes. don't forget to catch meet the press this sunday, michael pence and everybody. for the record with greta starts right now. greta will not miss meet the press. she promises me. >> i promise. especially with vice-president pence, it's going to be a great interview. i'm dying to see that. >> thank you. >> have a great weekend, chuck. we have breaking news. north korea doing it again, launching yet another ballistic missile north of pyonyang. officials say the missile explode the soon after launch. it is the 9th missile launched since president trump took office. this comes hours after north korea broadcasting a propaganda video. artillery exercises and this. after the stern warning from secretary of state rex tillerson. >> it is likely a matter of time before north korea develops the capability to strike the u.s. main


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